“I Support The Troops, Just Not The War”
August 24th, 2005 by GoldFalcon
I hesitate to trot this tired old horse out of the barn anymore, and wouldn’t, except that a buddy of mine just had some pretty profound things to say about it. This buddy is a Marine with long years of service doing some pretty special things and who has been ’sandy’ a couple times in the last few years. Here’s what he had to say about “supporting the troops but not the war”:
Let me speak in very general terms for a minute, if I might.
America, her Allies and other Nations who might take an interest.
In supporting me you are supporting the War. Cause I’m not doing my “job” for college or to stay out of the brig. I am doing my duty because I fully support the War. I believe in it. I don’t see it as a job for compensation. I see it as my duty, as an American.
Or by support me do you mean a pat on the back and well wishes? Cause my defenition of support means SUPPORT. When I’m down you pick me up. I’m bleeding you patch it. I need it you cover me. If it comes down to it you kill the son of a bitch before he kills me. Cause when I say I support the troops thats exactly what I mean.
Otherwise it isn’t really support. It is well wishes. Which is nice, but not the same.
Just so we are on the same sheet of music here:
sup·port ( P ) Pronunciation Key (s-pôrt, -prt)
tr.v. sup·port·ed, sup·port·ing, sup·ports
To bear the weight of, especially from below.
To hold in position so as to keep from falling, sinking, or slipping.
To be capable of bearing; withstand: “His flaw’d heart… too weak the conflict to support” (Shakespeare).
To keep from weakening or failing; strengthen: The letter supported him in his grief.
To provide for or maintain, by supplying with money or necessities.
To furnish corroborating evidence for: New facts supported her story.
To aid the cause, policy, or interests of: supported her in her election campaign.
To argue in favor of; advocate: supported lower taxes.
To endure; tolerate: “At supper there was such a conflux of company that I could scarcely support the tumult” (Samuel Johnson).
To act in a secondary or subordinate role to (a leading performer).If you are going to support me fully, Thank you. God knows men and women like me need it. If not save it for a bumper sticker.
There shouldn’t be a distiction between the two. Soldier / War. We are one and the same. For the love of God already
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I agree 100%. I wrote about the same thing, from a slightly different perspective, a few months ago (click on my webpage). Bottom line, once the bullets start flying, you better support victory, ’cause that’s the best way for our troops to come home safely, and the U.S. to be safer, as well.
I also agree 100%. To my mind, it’s only common sense. If we don’t support both the men & the mission, we’ll pay for it dearly down the road… as we and our present military are paying for Americans not supporting the VietNam War. The truly stupid think leaving VN the way we did was a good thing - so they think they can influence this War on Terror in the same way. They’d better pray that it doesn’t work that way this time!
Personally, I think it’s too hot in AL to wear a burkha!
You have my{at least} unequivical support for the task ahead of you. You deserve the full support of all americans. Unfortunately, no one at home feels they have a personal stake in the consequences of what you are doing, therefore they feel no personal threat,{today,as opposed to what tommorrow will bring.} As long as that sense of security is here, the people feel free to spout off as if they are each and every one is a statesman who knows more about warfare, history, and the world than anyone else since Christ was a private. This is the paradox of a free and open society.For me I have been there and understand that you need the support of the Commander in Chief, the leaders above you, and the american people I believe you have that support.
I of course also agree 100%, and I’ll take it a step further…I always do..lol. Support does not just equal agreement with supporting the war. Support is a verb, not an idealism. So, once you have it in your head that you should be supporting our troops….go do something to actually support them besides talking the talk. Eh?
Thank you. I agree. The people who say this do not understand the military or the mission, so how can they support one but not the other.
We agree 100%. In fact, there are many Veterans that publicly Support Our Troops AND The Mission. We have a grass roots organization of Veterans that are doing that very thing. Please visit our website.
Many veterans remember what it was like being in combat while the communist supported leftist liberals undermined our every efforts. We plan to speak loudly on our troops behalf.
Thank you for the post.
While I, strongly, respect your right to your opinion, I think that there are others, including veterans and active duty military personnel who disagree and should not be ridiculed, called un-patriotic, or, otherwise, dismissed.
My father served in the Marines and Army. Seeing combat in Korea from 1950-1952. I have read over 150 letters he wrote to my family during this time period. I also listened to hours of conversations between my father, grandfather, great uncles and cousins, all veterans, two being ex-POWs and only one of them serving in a non-combat capacity.
Frequently, they expressed disagreement with the military leadership and politicians. Go up the hill, dozens killed and/or wounded, go down the hill, over and over. Shoot, don’t shoot. Promises made, but not kept, both during active duty and after. A feeling that the politicians did not fully appreciating the gravity of the situation for the troops or the implications of their actions or inaction. And, most of all, overwhelming agreement that war sucked and the government should NEVER send troops to fight without seriously exhausing every other option available and making damn sure they were prepared.
My dad died in 1989. But, knowing him as well as I did, I believe he would be saddened and very disappointed at what was, at best, a lack of due diligence, arrogance, and sloppiness, with regard to making the decision to send troops into combat and pre-war planning (such as it was).
That disappointment, however, would be usurped by anger regarding the lack of preparation and strategic planning that has, and continues to, result in more casualties than would have occurred otherwise.
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In supporting me you are supporting the War. Cause I’m not doing my “job” for college or to stay out of the brig. I am doing my duty because I fully support the War. I believe in it. I
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The current anti-war movement has dug up some old haunts and taunts. I was a student during Vietnam, and my cousins dropped out of college to join the Marines (so I have a soft spot for Marines). But, the history of Vietnam during WWII didn’t speak well for either the French or later, for us. My cousins returned, and one best friend did not. One cousin never talked about the war; one cousin got drunk one night and said the reason we were out was because even though we won battles (he was at Hue); and even though we fought as hard and bravely as any soldiers could have; North Vietnam had General Giap and we had General Westmoreland. After I read We Were Soldiers Once and Young, I understood that statement. I support every American in Iraq, and I have spent more than I can afford since last year sending boxes to Iraq and to Afghanistan. I read the blogs and try to understand how it feels to be part of something so big and so important, in the thick of it, and wanting to finish it and win it. I hope we do. But, something nags at me with the old memories: We have sent brave, smart, disciplined young men and women; we have sent equally brave and disciplined older men; we have fought for almost three years. It isn’t yet clear where Iraq is going. And, the Middle East has its own culture, history, and courage in the face of immense suffering and oppression. But …. we don’t have General Giap - we have an incompetent administration, and Rumsfeld is no field marshall.
Yes! Oh yes! I support troops but not the war, I love everybody in the world. Why can,t we all get together and have a group hug, shed a tear, and maybe later sing Kumbaya. GIVE ME A BREAK, PU LEEESE
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Fine. If it’s your preference, I will support all of the troops except for you, as I cannot help my contempt for the war. If my concerns for your safety, my financial donations, and my prayers for your success are not sufficient by your definitions, then I will withhold them.
*sigh*
Please note that there are multiple layers of “anti-war”. For instance, I will go to my grave believing that this war was unjust and illegal, but there has not been a single moment since we first invaded that I have wanted us to pull out the troops in disgrace. Rather, I would prefer for the troops to quickly and completely meet their goals and return safely to the US as heroes.
My political beliefs regarding the legality of the war stem from my interpretation of governmental levels. Just as a state can supercede a local government and the federal government can supercede state legislation, I believe that the international government (that *we* created, no less, and over which we hold a vast amount of power) should have the authority to trump our federal government on international issues, most importantly, war. You’ll find that many of the anti-war tree-hugging communist peaceniks like myself fully support our actions in Afghanistan, yet none of the anti-anti-war bashers ever seem to stop and question why. You’ll also find that many of us, while fully convinced of the illegal nature of this war, would rather see it through to a victorious fruition than to see us pull out in failure.
Apparently, the anti-anti-war brigade, using the actions of a few notable anti-war activists, have pigeonholed the entire anti-war community. That’s a shame, really. Especially since ‘War’ is an action, but ‘Anti-war’ is merely a thought (or *should* be). The truth is, I was anti-war up to the moment that the first American troop set foot in Iraq. At that very moment, the thought became moot. I keep the anti-war label as a testament to my pre-war beliefs, but to be *actively* anti-war in the present tense would be traitorous.
More to say, but of course I’m probably only speaking to an audience of one.
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